During Aegon's Conquest of Westeros, the Dragon Lord burned and decimated hundreds of Westerosi Lords. DRACARYS beats Attila every time. Queen Wales Frey Crack fic- If you hated Ramsey Bolton and love Women Being Awesome and Supportive. Those who would not come out to meet him in battle would be burned in their castles by Aegon's dragon, Balerion the Black Dread. While Rasputin showed an impressive ability to absorb physical punishment, that's not enough to deal with shadow-baby assassins. Ned Stark: When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Prince Edward doted on him to excess, to the point where he asked his father to have the prince's own County of Ponthieu given to the knight. The late Ned Stark (Sean Bean) learned this the hard way when he was betrayed and killed in Season 1. Gaveston was seen as the very image of a knight, "graceful and agile in body, sharp-witted, refined in manner, [and] sufficiently well versed in military matters." On the other hand, Eddard is clearly the better soldier while Richard was a career soldier, he lost more than a few battles, and ultimately was baited into a disastrous attack at Wakefield that led to his death. But they're a hardy lot, so their biggest assets are the people. Theres an AU series based on what if all the dragon riders were actually dragon shifters. If they differ, it's that Richard, Duke of York, was marginally better at politics. I have a couple other AU (alternate universe) ASOIAF fics to call out: COMPLETE. Patricide. It is interesting to note that most of the fat on each of these families has been trimmed and there are only siblings left (R + L = J is obviously accounted for here): I propose that these last few Starks and Lannisters will not survive without a casualty of equal proportion on the other side. It is unknown how well Melisandre would hold up to bullets or physical assault. Weaknesses: Holds back on his war strategies effectiveness out of fear of hurting innocent people or committing atrocities. You may be able to find the same content in another format, or you may be able to find more information, at their web site. This match comes down to the question: Is it better to be loved or feared? Men and their promises are not your safety nor your refuge. Finally, both men were accused of incest with their sisters Jaime as we know, and Cesare on account of his violent actions toward most of his sister's husbands and by the fact that the "Infantus Romanus" Giovanni Borgia at various times declared to be the bastard son of either Cesare or Rodrigo was widely alleged to be Lucrezia's child. A total blowout. Once again, the Starks' motto reveals that they're more interested in planning for the future and subsistence, not gamesmanship. I'm not sure I quite understand the point of this topic. So, first - Ned rejects becoming HotK and stays in the North. First hypothetical that veer Both men inherited their position at a young age upon the violent death and beheading of their father, and both men claimed the crown on the grounds of ancient right. Honoria was the older sister of the Western Roman Emperor Valentinian III. They also have allies in the Night's Watch, ever since a Stark ancestor built the Wall long ago.House Lannister: As the richest family in the Seven Kingdoms, the Lannisters enjoy luxuries in excess. We have moved to a new external forum hosted at https://vsbattles.com. If you think Stannis would do nothing after Roberts death you do not understand his character, and if you think after Jon Arryn and Robert were mur WebEddard Stark, also called "Ned", is the head of House Stark, Lord of Winterfell, and Warden of the North. Assassinated. The Voices of God: Melisandre of Asshai vs. Grigori Rasputin. Which Finger is the (Spoilers Extended) Elia Martell was not okay with (Spoilers main) Why is Robert/Joffrey's Kingsguard so [Spoilers Main] The reason GRRM is taking a while with (Spoilers Extended) What's a small thing from the books (Spoilers Main) Legit just go hard and give me your Found this in a free book box , Printed 1998 (no spoilers). Instead only distant unimportant relatives will live on, with no real power to support their claim. Not everyone can be born to a noble house, and therefore Game of Thrones bannermen (and we peon-like fans) must align with the bigger, more powerful players. After escaping his captors, Tyrion is appointed by his father as acting Hand of the King to Joffrey Baratheon and successfully defends King's Landing against Stannis Baratheon at the Battle of the Blackwater, after which he is stripped of his power, demoted to Master of Coin and eventually framed for Joffrey's murder. Both men fought in civil wars, and never touched their swords in battle but to see victory on the field. Joffrey got the chance to rule, and promptly devolved into murderous tyranny, as fans of the books and the show remember. Moreover, both figures were highly resistant to assassination Melisandre is clearly immune to poison, while Rasputin survived being gutted by the follower of a rival mystic on July 1914, and then in 1916 was poisoned, shot four times, then attempted to strangle his attacker, then was shot again, clubbed, stabbed, and thrown into the river through a hole in the ice, although sources differ on whether he was dead when he hit the river or drowned as well. I love the dynamic of fiery cersei and cold ned here. "It's never boring with the Lannisters," Natalie Dormer, who plays Margaery Tyrell, observes. Unfortunately for poor Piers, he's drawn a somewhat lopsided match Ser Loras not only managed to survive his king (although the emotional vs. political assessment here might not match up), but was also the son of one of the Lords Paramount of Westeros, with an army 100,000 strong to back up his son, as opposed to being an upstart roundly despised by his "betters." Not everyone can be born to a noble house, and therefore Game of Thrones bannermen (and we peon-like fans) must align with the bigger, more powerful players. Also she doesnt let ned just saunter in there with his bastard. Eddard is one of the major POV characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. Tyrion Lannister is something of a mashup of two different political figures, Richard III of York, the Duke of Gloucester and King of England, and the Emperor Claudius (of I, Claudius fame): All three figures were born with disabilities that caused people to look down on them or were used against them by enemy propagandists, yet who turned out to be talented administrators. Both men married unwisely and suffered betrayal at the hands of their sworn vassals. Are there any tropes or pairings youre interested in? WebNed Stark Lives! I wouldn't bet much on this round. THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!! This round saw no less than 16 fiercely competitive matches, as Westerosi faced off against historical figures for the right to represent themselves. Not very fair, but then again, fair play doesn't get you very far in Westeros. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Another case in which the capacity for personal growth and commitment to some actual ideals trumps a limited cunning, with the Kingslayer standing on his own two feet where Cesare lived and died in his father's shadow. Historical Figures. Both men were considered personally impressive and used their appearance to enhance their charisma. Eddard Stark, also called "Ned", is the head of House Stark, Lord of Winterfell, and Warden of the North. This, together with their common beauty and keen political wit, form the foundation of the parallel between Margaery Tyrell and Anne Boleyn, who likewise pursued a married king who had been a peerless jouster and athlete before running to fat due to overindulgence in middle age, who was also an alleged virgin who had to overcome an inconvenient previous arrangement, and who engaged in a long political conflict with an older woman from a powerful noble family. House Reyne saw this weakness in the Lannister leadership and rebelled against Casterly Rock, whicha young Tywin Lannister sawas a travesty. Jaime who has strived to find honor will once again commit regicide and take the black as the 1000th Lord Commander. She has her fiery temper with her wicked tongue vs his even temper and honor driving him. Mocks his famed honor. Margaery is a Tyrell of Highgarden, with an army 100,000 strong and, just as powerful, control over the South's major source of foodstuffs. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Jaime is explaining the fallout of his duel with Ned Stark, when Tywin chillingly cuts him off with the above quote, further illustrating how ruthless he is and forcing Jaime to put his imagined honor into perspective. They temper each other so well. I think Bran is going to be very important in S8, doing all sorts of magical, mystical stuff. RELATED:Game Of Thrones: 10 Rulers, Ranked By Intelligence. I think. The Maiden(s) Fair: Brienne of Tarth vs. Joan of Arc. winter seeds and summer fruit by raffinit (https://archiveofourown.org/works/9171187/chapters/20822191). Ned Stark - 1st Stark Death. Murdered. And while the Tyrells, Greyjoys, Baratheons and Targaryens have made some bold moves, the Lannisters and the Starks are the two main houses that are currently dividing Westerosi loyalties on HBO's fantasy drama (airing Sundays at 9/8c).A message to Game of Thrones haters Would you throw your lot in with the direwolves or lions? As a teenager I was obsessed with HP fanfiction and I just never thought to check for game of thrones. While the move wasn't particularly delicate or deft, it did rid Cersei of all of her enemies. WebNed Stark will preach about honour being the supreme achievement. Tyrion is a more able politician, who's managed so far to survive all of his betrayals although it has to be noted that Claudius, while poisoned by his wife, did manage to survive through the reigns of three emperors as a member of a family so murderous and incestuous that they make the Lannisters seem like the Huxtables. The Brides of the Horselords, Winner = Daenerys Targaryen. Perhaps the most iconic moment inGame of Thronesis also the clearest example of the Lannister's intelligence in the show. What we can say is that, while Brienne has yet to reconquer any nations, unlike Joan of Arc she was able to outlive her king. In an interview about who would win, Game of Thrones vs Lord of the Rings, Martin claims that Ned Stark is more of a lord and less of a fighter and claims that Jaime Lannister is one of the best swords in Westeros. While Edward II proved to be a complete liability, Richard's superior military experience (especially when dealing with unruly brothers) overwhelmed the amateur Renly. The King's Favorite: Ser Loras Tyrell vs. Piers Gaveston. [Spoilers Extended] The amount of people who genuinely (Spoilers Extended) Failed Hands of the King, Best written character in your opinion? After escaping his captors, Tyrion is More's the pity.House Lannister: "Hear me roar!" She digs further and further. This allowed him to attack the undefended Tyrell stronghold of Highgarden and in so doing, capture the 'breadbasket' of Westeros. >!And they try to get it on. He acts honorably almost all the time (which has caused him harm in the past against people who are not honest at all during the game of thrones). No.He appears in the latest chapter for a visit in Winterfell. This link to ancient Westeros could be the key to who eventually wins the Iron Throne.House Lannister: The Lannisters are unpredictable and have a history of outwitting opponents. Raised at the age of fifteen to the Kingsguard of the Mad King, Aerys II Targaryen, Jaime became the youngest Unlike Roose Bolton and Walder Frey, Warwick and Clarence had to deal with the English Parliament, which wouldn't tolerate them murdering a King in cold blood. I'm not going to count these as they are a bit of a stretch but I'll throw them in: Let's look at the family members standing. Nicolaj Coster-Waldau, who plays Jaime Lannister, sums them up, "The Starks are pretty boring." Seven hells!House Lannister: The Lannisters don't have to worry about honesty blinding them because they're usually controlling the backstabbing. Moreover, unlike Gaveston, who eked out a middling military career (did well in Ireland, failed miserably in Scotland), Ser Loras has tasted historic triumph at the Blackwater. But I don't know how much fun I'd have at the whorehouses." While the theme is still in the background, I wanted to bring it back into the light as it has been obfuscated by Dany coming to town, Jon's ascension to King of da Norf, Cersei's southern powerplay, Euron's Emo Navy, and other such things. Major characters in Game of Thrones will first pair off against their historical counterparts and then we'll pair off the winners to get our Conference and then Tourney champions; in the case of characters who resemble a composite of historical figures, we'll treat it as a tag-team match. Whether he survives it, I can't guess. WebI've always found the comparison of Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister's leadership style the All that and a romance with Lucrezia Borgia. Every product was carefully curated by an Esquire editor. Leave it to a Martell to be irrelavent :p. I think we'll get parallels between Tyrion and Bran for their loss of self, Cersei and Arya for going mad, and Jaime and Sansa for their fear of what their sisters has become. https://archiveofourown.org/works/29240877/chapters/71800104, Promise to Be True Jon/Sansa- PNR - Jon (homicide detective) Sansa (prime suspect in her husbands death, https://archiveofourown.org/works/29150988. Both Ser Jaime and Duke Cesare were military men of distinction, born into a family of great political power, who were sent into a lofty though celibate office that caused quarrels with their mighty patriarch. One day the dragon simply flew away. But its so good its Art. And she knows raeghar face well so she finds out. A better military man than Claudius and a better political survivor than Richard, Tyrion squeaks through into round two. In judging between the two of them, we have to make difficult judgments about matters mundane and supernatural Brienne lacked the divine power to shield her king from harm, but Joan never had to deal with shadow-baby assassins. This combined with the fact that Edward openly ignored his queen on her wedding day in order to hang out with Gaveston led to repeated demands by the English nobility that he be exiled. 'Yellowstone' Fans Are Freaking Out Over Carter. Fat chance. Whether this newfound commitment to the ideals of knighthood will allow him to avoid the fate of Cesare has yet to be seen. Who could even make a match for him? But then Ned comes home with a bundle in his arms. Richard I may not have spent much time with his wife Isabella, but his subjects cared more that he was also a master of siegecraft who won many victories in France before he departed for the Third Crusade, where he won a series of famous victories against long odds. MOC/arranged marriage, REAL enemies to lovers, strong morally grey fiery FMC, honorable gentleman with a heart of gold interior and frosty exterior MMC. His abduction by Catelyn Stark for a crime he did not commit serves as one of the catalysts of the War of the Five Kings. [Spoilers Extended], Press J to jump to the feed. Here are 5 times he was a boss & 5 he was irredeemable. The question for Renly is whether his political gamesmanship can capitalize on Edward II's weakness, or whether Richard's superior military reputation will make up for the lopsidedness of his tag-team. What if Walker Freys granddaughters banded together to secure their future? Also you think cersei will stand the fact ned brings his bastard and not defy him lol. Tywin Lannister - 2nd Lannister Death. Sometimes brilliance cannot overcome a bad reputation. The Maiden(s) Fair, Winner = Brienne of Tarth. Shes not even worth the direct acknowledgement, apparently. Im not usually a fan of original characters in fanfic, but this story is stunning. She says no but is kinda forced to give a bj. The Battle of the Teenage Tyrants: Joffrey "Baratheon" vs. I mean they are conditioned to do it thats how its put in the fic. Another one from Tywin's iconic opening scene where both the character and Charles Dance genuinely skinned a dead dear like a boss. A close match that went back and forth, ultimately Edward IV's luck and superior political acumen allowed him to eke out a victory against the King in the North. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Talisa Stark -Queen Stark Death. Each round, we'll pair these characters off, and preview the matches with a description of each contestant's strengths and weaknesses. There is no major character death warning for this fic. It was a interesting pairing that in my opinion the author made work in the setting of the au. March is a special time for basketball fans, but it's also a special time for Game of Thrones fans, as we emerge from a harsh winter to the beginning of a new season. Not Stark-centric. You will see what happens about that, the resolution is chefs kiss Its definitely an instopable force meets an immovable object scenario. Have you watched House of the Dragon? Thanks again for ruiningmy life) said it best. (I even know of one that has since been published into a book). This is not directed at her, but at Ned. Imo from the tone it is very romance centric and fanfiction author dont tend to screw over the audience by baiting a happy ending and never delivering because thats the purpose of fic in the first place, to please the audience. Team Caligula and Edward of Lancaster. Rhaegar Targaryen and his siblings have conquered the North with fire and blood. None other than the Chevalier de Bayard, known to history as the "chevalier sans peur et sans reproche" (the Knight Without Fear and Beyond Reproach). Similar vibe, but inverted. I love the AUs (alternate universes) because they dont shy away from her strengths and expose her brittleness. Same rules apply. The deciding factor in this evenly-matched contest is whether loyalty and luck can outlast dramatic flair and a nose for gold. WebWhen Eddard arrived at the capital, Lord Tywin Lannister's force had already sacked the city. The conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters was a consistent plot In a race for worst of the worst, it's hard to pick between Joffrey and his historical counterparts. Omg, I've seen this one but haven't checked it out. The crack addict is me. Tywin was a great leader but a Great Man hell no, as a person he was retched. Bran will probably remain the three-eyed raven and go into seclusion. I think the show has come a long way from the Starks vs Lannisters trope that was built in the first couple seasons. "You know you'd have a good night out with him guaranteed. Likewise, both women fought to overcome gendered attack on their right to power Cersei had her arranged marriage to Robert Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon's public accusations of incest and adultery, and then her father forcing a second marriage on her; Margaret repeatedly faced accusations from the Duke of York and the Earl of Warwick that her son, Edward of Lancaster, was a bastard that she had conceived with the help of her ally the Duke of Somerset. Ground Zero. TVGuide.com breaks down the two houses:PrinciplesHouse Stark: You can feel safe turning your back on the ethical Starks of Winterfell. Her family sure does. This content is imported from OpenWeb. Selyse might be Stannis' wife by law, but everyone (even Selyse) knows that Stannis' true queen is the Red Priestess of R'hllor, Melisandre of Asshai. The Kingmakers: Tywin Lannister vs. Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick. Needless to say, this would be a battle for the ages. Where the two men diverge is in their methodology: Richard Neville was the master of propaganda and public relations, and beloved by the merchants of London. His abduction by Catelyn Stark for a crime he did not commit serves as one of the catalysts of the War of the Five Kings. The Exemplary: Ser Barristan Selmy vs. the Chevalier de Bayard. I never read Martins work personally but I do remember reading a passage/excerpt from Martins books where Cersei is described as having a flushed face with peachy cheeks because of her drinking wine and that passage almost me fall in love with her description lol. I have never read a game of thrones fanfic. But the wolf is always there by dwellingondreams, Jaime Lannister is still grinning that false grin at her. Neither much-loved nor much lovable, Stannis Baratheon and Oliver Cromwell were plainspoken, plain-featured, and plain-dressed men of iron will and determination (although both prone to periods of depression) who made their reputations on the battlefield yet felt compelled to make their way into politics, and whose unwavering sense of mission derived itself from a providential belief that a higher power had chosen them as their agent in this world. 10 Ned Is Willing To Raise A Bastard As His Son. Do you think he did not promise to come back to me? Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved. There are so many lol. 'Interview With the Vampire' S2 Will Be Bloody, The First '1923' Teaser is Downright Moody, 'Dune: The Sisterhood' Has Found Its Leading Man, Seth Rogen's Hyping Up 'The Boys' Spinoff, 'Gen V', What's Next For 'What We Do in the Shadows'. One of the more important details that never made it from the book to the show was that, before King Robert's death, his brother Renly and his lover Loras Tyrell were engaged in a plot to make Margaery Tyrell the king's mistress and then replace Cersei Lannister as his queen. After that, Edward went on a bit of a Robert Baratheon-style bender, over-indulging on wine, food, and loose women, until his premature death at age 41. His historical counterpart, Richard Neville, was the richest man in England, the head of a powerful political dynasty, a career although not undefeated soldier, and an able politician. Luckily for Stark sympathizers the Karma train rolled back around. 'Yellowstone' Season 5 Has Arrived. Won the Battle of the Bells. This one was a bit of a no-contest; Piers Gaveston might be a keen jouster, but he was an utter failure on the battlefield. The Red Queens: Cersei Lannister vs. Margaret d'Anjou. WebThe setting: an alternative universe where Tywin married Cersei to Ned instead of Baratheon. He is a close friend to King Robert I Baratheon, with whom he was raised. An ambitious and strong-willed woman, who was named Augusta (latin for Empress), Honoria rebelled against a safe and boring marriage that her brother arranged to keep her from attempting to seize his throne, and sent a letter to Attila the Hun, promising her hand in marriage and half of Gaul if he would help overthrow her brother. Assassinated. It follows the early years of their marriage in the north. I'm a little late to this discussion, but just wanted to comment and say that I read the whole darn thing, and now I'm in the same boat -- waiting to see if/when there might be an update! In the show at least. By contrast, Tywin ignored "soft" power in favor of using violent death to cow his enemies, giving rise to the legends of the Rains of Castamere and the Red Wedding. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. While both sides boast large armies and an impressive force of will, Margaret d'Anjou showed an impressive gift for creating political alliances that Cersei just couldn't compete with. Its not HEA because A) theyre Targaryens B) GRRMs culling of the herd. WebI agree Ned is the better general, but keep in mind Tywin could get more men easily. The conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters was a consistent plot thread throughoutGame of Thrones. Known for being the domineering, emotionless, and strategically cunning leader of House Lannister, Tywin isn't afraid to put his morals behind him in order to gain more power and influence within Likewise, both men became infamous for betrayals Jaime as a kingslayer and oathbreaker, and Cesare as a master betrayer who was alleged to have murdered his brother, slept with his other brother's wife, and the list goes on and on. Tywin Lannister is Hand of the King, Warden of the West, and Lord Paramount of the Westerlands, the richest man in Westeros, and both a skilled, if unscrupulous, battlefield commander and a cunning politician. Oliver Cromwell showed no such reluctance after a dark night of the soul early in his life, Oliver Cromwell believed himself to chosen by a providential God. Sansa will survive along with Tyrion and they will marry again, obviously this time for real. Jon is not being included here even though he was raised as a Stark and everyone thinks of him that way. Or not as to cross them out? Another tight match, and one that raises the question: Is unbroken success that results in a government that falls apart after one's death better than a man who learns from his one defeat intent on never having another? Sometimes, style is substance. So here are5 reasons why the Starks are actually more intelligent than the Lannisters, and 5 reasons why the Lannisters are still at the top of the GoT brainy list. Catch Up Now. By contrast, Ser Loras was victorious at the Blackwater, and has the might of House Tyrell at his back. https://archiveofourown.org/series/1371580. "You see them as people." And Cat married the king. The closest match in the round, this one comes down to longevity. As a consequence, Cersei Lannister decided to blow up the Great Sept of Baelor with wildfire, with all of her rivals trapped inside. She works to prop up the position of the north in the trade. But all of this pales in comparison to the madness of Caligula, who murdered and married his relatives (sometimes the same person), financed his regime with mass executions and confiscations, and had his horse made a consul. Now spoilers up ahead if you are still not convinced: Ned values Cersei opinion as a regent and lets her preside over his council. Definite AU. Jaime will die heroically fighting everywhere else, having finally abandoned Cersei to her madness and her scheming. These three events really fucked up the viewers and book readers alike. He is an accomplished battlefield commander (to such an extent that his father, widely regarded as one of the best commanders in Westeros, acknowledges it) who has demonstrated high levels of tactical acumen and personally led troops during the Battle of the Blackwater and is intelligent and politically astute enough to have served as the chief advisor to two separate monarchs. Terrorist Attack. The Lords of the North: Eddard Stark Lord of the North vs. Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York. The Maligned: Tyrion Lannister vs. Tywin will tell him But For sure I think it would make sense for the author to clarify if there is a Hea ir Hfn at the end. Sorry, Rickon (Art Parkinson), you don't rate. This explains why some Northerners have superhuman abilities such as Jojen Reed's (Thomas Sangster) green dreams or Bran's warging. Home of the magic search button and endless book recommendations as well as discussions about tropes and characters, Author AMAs, book clubs, and more. By contrast, Eddard Stark never lost a battle. Jon is a bastard (Snow) and is confirmed as a secret Targaryen in the show at least. Robb Stark split his force in order to separate and weakenthe Lannister Army. By contrast, Edward II lost virtually every battle he ever fought, was forced to abdictate by his own wife and her lover Roger Mortimer, and was then murdered. Several times larger than regular wolves, direwolves are not just figurative symbols to the Starks; they're real allies. For several seasons, Cersei had been struggling with the Faith Militant and the Tyrell family. Henry Morgan might have become governor of Jamaica, but he never did anything with it and died a penniless debtor. He lives. https://archiveofourown.org/works/9171187/chapters/20822191. Unlike her historical twin, Margaery has more political assets to her command Anne Boleyn was only a knight's daughter (although linked to the Dukes of Norfolk), with few political allies among the noble families of England, who quickly turned on her when she lost the king's favor. Basically, this scoreboard will remain equal. She gives birth to two twin boys robb and joffrey and joffrey dies and she is of the opinion that if the king or her father come sniffing around its better to hide him in plain sight as her own child because lets be honest here ned's subterfuge was shaky at best coz the dummy was not for subterfuge. Throughout season 7, Littlefinger is attempting to create tension between Sansa and Arya. However due to Tyrion's careful planning, King's Landing was successfully defended. Now I gotta wait, though! Tywin's children, however, reveal glimmers of humanity beneath their vicious veneer. Attila jumped at the offer and invaded Gaul, then Italy when Valentinian blocked the marriage, practically burning the country to the ground. There's a reason why most of the cast picked Tyrion as their go-to drinking buddy. Just wanted to make sure you saw about the feature where you can subscribe to the work on AO3. At the same time, while Richard was a skilled enough politician to take the throne from his nephews, eliminate the Woodvilles, the Baron Hastings, and the Duke of Buckingham, he failed to neutralize the French who supported Henry Tudor, and was betrayed by both the Stanleys and the Percys at Barnet Heath. Direction of the North: Eddard Stark Lord of the Horselords, Winner = Ser was. 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