I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. <<<<<<<<<<<>. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. 2. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." andpleading with her to take off her mask? From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". ". If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. He didn't recognise her voice. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? <<<<<<<<< her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? orpsychotherapists. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" ", "Victor what can I say. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. ANSWER. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. But which'party' is Bill referring to? When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. 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