This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. It doesnt kick as much as my .44 Rem Mag in a JP Sauer six-shooter that I used to carry on remote gold mining operations, and in a M&P Shield and Glock 21, it also serves as my concealed carry. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. His cousin, the brown bear, is an entirely different story; when a brown bear means business you need to stop the threat and stop it fast, by any means necessary. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. Ill try 180s on my next cat. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. You combine the penetration of .45 Long Colt with the facial (and nose) disruption of a .410 shotgun shell. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. LOL. With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. There are many reviews of this caliber online. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. Now thats an appropriate comment. 255gr. Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. When the smoke cleared the bear was on its back waving its legs. Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . within the last 30 years, this doesnt necessarily need to apply to civilians. He said while the animal tried to bite Pauls head, it didnt actually do it, only slightly clawing the boys back. The farmer who owned the lambs also contacted a trapper in hopes that they could do something about the mountain lion. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. Adult weight: Males range from 116-160 pounds and females, 75-110 pounds Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County). Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. I rather be over gun then under gun. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . After all bears are quite well armed are they not? Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. Are they prudent, not for me. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. His wife left Houston shortly after he passed. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. A bear spray story- First round 00 buckshot then slugs. Certainly, they have before. I want POWER ! Excellent article! While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. Magnum Research 45-70 isnt bad either ! With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus I can hit an outboard engine at 100 yards. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. Ruger, I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. in bullet weight and energy. There is nothing wrong with the cartridge. Beside, everyone agrees, and it has been my personal experience in bear (black only so far, but grizzly are about) stand-offs hauling out elk quarters in the Bitterroot Mtns that youre only going to get two shots and the extra round of a semi-auto (6 + 1) offers over a six-shooter revolver is a debate of deck chair arrangements on the Titanic. bear which turned on him. The result was a dead dog with one of the bears and almost a dead friend with one of the hogs. I like the S&W 460 as well. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! Hard cast/ full metal jacket is important in smaller calibers to at least give you penetration. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. We hadnt thought of that. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! A friend who guided in Alaska and the northwest, that experienced a number of charges over the years, told me that at 300 yds, a well placed 06 round would do the job, at 200 yds a 300 Win. Watch on. Somewhere in my Paper Archives I have the Professors commentary and a stages of a Bear attack and at what point in his own words .. it is time to Shoot the Bear. Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. Since Proposition . The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . Absolutely. But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. trunnis goggins wife; can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. He makes a grizzly look like a cub. Handloads push a 300-grain to just over 1,000 fps, so it just cracks the code. Its jackass. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. The 12 ga. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. If a close attack by a bear happens, I sure wouldnt want a single action revolver. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. DRT. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. Wolves are more of a threat. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. Hornady, Im still skeered o rabbies. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. Oaf, that was funny! All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. Not totally true. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. Its time for some lab work, and the Feds arent going to let us stake a few bears out in someones back forty to test loads out on. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. The second shot went CLICK. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. Caliber: 357 or better. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Agreed. My thought I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! That wouldnt do it for me. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. .38spl are pretty light loads. Please reply. If you are entering bear inhabited areas, be prepared for the worst situation by having a firearm with sufficient foot-pounds to stop a bear attack. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. More than half of those were fawns. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. The photos are nice, but all the ammo photos are of hollow points, and I have substantial doubts about the value of hollow points against bears, especially grizzlies. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half I read that several times as well. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. For what its worth, bear spray is likely to get you killed in my humble opinion. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. Although the species is protected, landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. I decently placed 5.56 will kill anything in north america. Again, his Smith and Wesson Model 66 I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. FMJ. I have skinned three browns, two grizzlies and more black bears than I care to remember. Mountain lion facts. Yes! Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. No HPs! Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? But so Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. @ 1,100+ FPS!! I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. Brian M.- I also did the same thing with my Glock 21 accept I started with the 45 Super cartridge. 45acp . That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. Mountain lion study highlights. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. I . shop reading and start thinking. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. The group was less than four inches and the ammo was full-power Winchester factory loads so it was full recoil. P.J. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. My resulting theory is that if you see the bear/cougar, draw your gun and do your best to avoid the encounter. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. 6. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Loaded with a hard cast 250 gr bullet at about 1050. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. In most cases, a 22 caliber rifle will not be able to kill a mountain lion. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. where do you come up with this bullshit. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. is excellent. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Just my thoughts!! I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. Then it rolled over and started walking. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. I enjoyed the article. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. Reply. In Colorado, population estimates range from 3,000 to 7,000 mountain lions. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. For small game, a 38 Spcl. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. not litter the landscape. Now I know, what to expect and what to carry. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. No mention here of my favorite back woods carry gun, a 50 cal Desert Eagle. Jim Farmer The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. Even if the game warden had survived, he The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. I have killed over 140 head of big game in Australia, waterbuffalo, moose, elk, deer, antelope, hogs, exotics, many black bear, and one charging brown bear in Alaska at 5 feet with a hand gun. hard cast bullets the 44 Mag. What do you know! Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. And its usually charging you in a self-defense situation where youre trying to penetrate all that meat, gristle and bone in the way of its vital organs. The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. I call BS. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. Expert trackers look for the following to identify mountain lion tracks: Three lobes at the bottom of the pad. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. 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